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tonibunny
21st January 2008, 08:54 PM
This chap here is someone I know. He's just been to see a chiropractor because he's been getting a lot of lower back pain, and also pain around his shoulderblade. The chiropractor is a "McTimoney" chiro.

Because I have noticed it before, and because the kids at his school have also commented on it (he's a teacher they said "Sir your back doesn't bend the right way"), I told him to ask if the chiropractor could assess him for kyphosis. His spine doesn't straighten out even if he stretches himself as straight as possible, so it's not a postural problem. NB it does look a lot worse when he's relaxed, especially when he's sitting down.

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The chiropractor has just told him that she couldn't see anything unusual there at all :-? Note that he's got unusual ribs as well ("flared ribs") at the bottom of his ribcage, but she didn't comment on these either. I know I have shown these pics to a few of you before and all of you thought his back wasn't right.

Any thoughts? He was given the details of this chiro by his GP.

Cheers,

Toni xx

sins
21st January 2008, 10:44 PM
I think the chiropracter needs to go to specsavers!!!!
This person has kyphosis, perhaps not bad enough for surgery, but there's also a bit of lumbar scoliosis going on there. Hope he's not in too much pain.
Sins

GillyG
21st January 2008, 10:45 PM
My suggestion?.... get his chiropractor to the opticians asap! No, seriously though, I think your friend should try to see a spinal guy, that definitely looks like kyphosis to me. It certainly doesn't look 'right', if you see what I mean.

tonibunny
21st January 2008, 10:52 PM
Thank you!

I was wondering about the possibility of lumbar scoli Sins, as his GP mentioned he has a "pelvic tilt". I doubt any of it is at all serious enough to warrant surgery etc but I do think he ought to get seen by a spinal guy just so he can have an x-ray and know exactly what is going on.

Is the kyphosis too low down to be Schuermann's?

Amazed Jean
22nd January 2008, 12:03 AM
Looks like the chiro is a Mc.Dummmy

jfkimberly
22nd January 2008, 02:39 AM
Maybe it's not severe enough for surgery, but he sought care because of pain. He should definitely be seen by a scoliosis/kyphosis specialist and find out what's going on. That doesn't look right to me, either.

GloomCookie
22nd January 2008, 07:12 PM
I'd be really worried about a chiro that failed to notice what a bunch of schoolkids spotted when he was wearing clothes :-?

I'm not terribly familiar with kyphosis but his ribs on the bottom look like mine, you can see that they're too far apart I think.

mark
22nd January 2008, 07:34 PM
Ye p got to agree with Sinead on everything other than specsavers

You can get two pairs cheaper in ASDA 8) 8)

mark
22nd January 2008, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by tonibunny@Jan 21 2008, 09:52 PM
Thank you!

I was wondering about the possibility of lumbar scoli Sins, as his GP mentioned he has a "pelvic tilt". I doubt any of it is at all serious enough to warrant surgery etc but I do think he ought to get seen by a spinal guy just so he can have an x-ray and know exactly what is going on.

Is the kyphosis too low down to be Schuermann's?
Seriously Toni

I never seen a Schueremann's that low down before

Its usually a lot higher

titch
22nd January 2008, 07:42 PM
Depending on what you read, the apex for Scheuermann's is generally said to typically be either T7/8 or T8/9, so it can certainly be Scheuermann's - the sharpness of the curve would also seem suggestive to my layperson's eyes.

I'd be interested to know what sort of treatments this chiro did, as a while back I met a guy who said he was a McTimoney chiropractor, but was now studying for a psychology masters as the McTimoney treatments had been quite hands off and most of the good he was able to do for his patients was through psychological help, so had decided to learn to do it properly!!! I'm really not sure if he was representative at all, although I know that whenever I've seen clinic signs for McTimoney chiros, they make a big thing of how gentle it is.

Sandman77
27th January 2008, 11:02 PM
Kyphosis to me with a minor Lumbar Scoliosis curve...

tonibunny
28th January 2008, 03:38 PM
My friend in the photos had an appointment at the orthopaedic hospital in Oswestry today, just before I had my own appointment with the pain clinic there. He went because his right knee has been causing pain, and he asked me to sit in the second part of his appointment (after he'd been examined and had x-rays) so I could help him remember everything the consultant said.

WELL, there is nothing wrong with the bones of his knee (he'dbeen worried about arthritis) and the orthopaedic guy took a look at his back. My friend mentioned that I thought he had mild kyphosis and the consultant checked and said "well well, so he does, mid-thoracic, right? I probably wouldn't have noticed that if you hadn't said". I felt so chuffed!!!

The consultant has now referred him for a full body MRI because he also gets lower back pain and he wants to make sure that the kyphosis isn't actually referring the pain down into his knee. I'm not sure but it sounded like there were some unusual things to note when he did the reflex check thingies with the little hammer. The MRI is on Friday.

Anyway, that is all good news in that my friend is getting checked out thoroughly, and very quickly too :D And GO US, we could all spot slight kyphosis where a chiropractor and a GP couldn't! :joke:

GillyG
28th January 2008, 04:35 PM
Well, it's good to know your friend is getting things looked into now ... bit worrying that no-one else could see it though :roll:

jfkimberly
28th January 2008, 05:00 PM
Oh my! Your friend's head must be spinning to suddenly be taken so seriously after that chiropractor dismissed him (so unusual of a chiropractor... ). I'm glad he's getting it looked at, but I do hope it's not too serious.

sins
28th January 2008, 06:44 PM
That's good news Toni, and to be seen in a decent centre like Oswestry.
Well done to you for encouraging him to move in the right direction.
Sins